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Amlin
08-31-2017, 03:05 PM
New harness.org.au site being trialled
https://beta.harness.org.au/
Beltane
08-31-2017, 07:41 PM
The Beta site looks much improved in presentation and quite easy to navigate.
Messenger
09-17-2017, 02:04 AM
I have found what I believe to be a massive fault with the new site.
Which WA especially needs to fix
When you click on WA - under the States tab at the top of the page or the RWWA icon at the bottom of the page you DON'T go to a trots page
Clicks on Victoria, SA or NSW at the top or bottom of page always takes you to a harness page
WA never does while QLD and TAS only do from the top menu not the icons
https://beta.harness.org.au/
The mobile site doesn't have trainer or driver for results. Is breeder really that important? Plus it wastes valuable space putting 'by and 'out of'
Stewards report links back to the old site
TrotterFan
09-20-2017, 12:17 AM
The mobile site doesn't have trainer or driver for results. Is breeder really that important? Plus it wastes valuable space putting 'by and 'out of' It actually does, you just need to put your phone sideways in landscape view and the extra details come into view. Means you get a lot more details without having to pinch and zoom around.
Messenger
09-20-2017, 12:45 AM
Not an app person myself but thanks Charlie, on behalf of Katie and others
Messenger
09-20-2017, 01:04 AM
This may have been stated somewhere and I just missed it but does anybody know where the odds are coming from?
I am guessing they are just an estimate by an assessor - I am somewhat surprised there is not an * explaining what they are
gutwagon
09-20-2017, 01:39 AM
Was just trying to watch a replay from results, you need to turn screen sideways to read full results. If you push replay you get a stamp sized screen that cannot be enlarged. You have go back and put screen upright and then push replay then you can get full screen and turn it sideways. This needs to be fixed. The text is easier to read than the old site but there are many gremlins that should have been fixed before launch. This is on the mobile site.
You're right. It even has a small icon to show users to do that. Guess I was quick to judge.
What I never understood, and is a function that has carried over, is the 'Horse Search' function whereby you click on a horse that is racing and it takes you to the Horse Search page where you can see the horse's racing record, instead of the HRA Online page. This means if you want to check a horse's breeding from that page, it's an extra click or two to get to HRA to see progeny.
trish
09-20-2017, 11:44 AM
Looked up the results of Menangle yesterday & race 9 still has the field & NO result......really http://www.harness.org.au/racing/fields/race-fields/?mc=PC190917
aussiebreno
09-20-2017, 12:35 PM
When viewing fields for a meeting it used to list the schedule with race names and class up the top so you could skim the top and see Rc6 was the open class event at Gloucester Park and skip straight to it without having to scroll through every field. I miss those 5 seconds it saved me.
Messenger
09-20-2017, 01:39 PM
When viewing fields for a meeting it used to list the schedule with race names and class up the top so you could skim the top and see Rc6 was the open class event at Gloucester Park and skip straight to it without having to scroll through every field. I miss those 5 seconds it saved me.
I'm with you Brendan
gutwagon
09-20-2017, 03:16 PM
So only one or two positive points mentioned about the new site. I have probably only explored 50% of the site so far but am convinced it was developed by those people that did the "digital upgrade" in the ABC show "Utopia" !
Messenger
09-21-2017, 01:55 AM
I wish I had 'snipped' an old results page so I could do a direct comparison
It does look brighter/cleaner - did the old results have ads down the sides? LOL I just refreshed the page and I got some ads
However I am not finding it easy reading. Suggestions would be to embolden all the horse names and maybe have the first three in another colour (black?) to stand out
I wish I had 'snipped' an old results page so I could do a direct comparison
It does look brighter/cleaner - did the old results have ads down the sides? LOL I just refreshed the page and I got some ads
However I am not finding it easy reading. Suggestions would be to embolden all the horse names and maybe have the first three in another colour (black?) to stand out
I'm pretty sure there were ads. The background was black/grey so they were likely less noticeable.
https://web.archive.org/web/*/harness.org.au
gutwagon
09-21-2017, 03:51 PM
I don't mind the adds on the site as long as they are for harness racing products and not intrusive . But I do find the banner across the replays very annoying. It's usually Empire Stallions who I have used several times and found them to be great to deal with but this annoying add is making me think twice about using them in future ! Is that the type of result they want from an ad ? There is a time and a place for adds but over a replay is not one off them in my opinion.
Pogga
09-21-2017, 07:52 PM
This does explain a few things https://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=34866
It should be easier in future to deliver enhancements & complete maintenance with an upgrade of Technology. 2008 technology would have been struggling to keep up with the Tablet functionality of today.
Obviously a heap of teething issues but I'm sure the only way is up ;)
It also makes it possible to track users. The more you can track them, the more you know about them, the more you know what parts of the site are visited, the more you know what's of importance to them, the greater insights the industry has to tailor racing to that
gutwagon
09-22-2017, 02:44 PM
The best thing in that article was that it didn't cost any extra money. So the new site is aimed at mobile devices, fair enough, that is also where most of the glitches are ! I must admit I found the old mobile site unusable and was forced to use the desktop version on my phone. Not showing all the information on the upright screen and having to rotate your screen may be common on some sites but that doesn't make it good. Car Jackings are common now but that doesn't make them good ! But you should not have to go back to the upright position just so you can watch a full screen replay ! I understand that an upgrade was needed to keep up with changing technology but I would have preferred if they could have stuck to the old look and layout of the old site.
aussiebreno
09-22-2017, 04:05 PM
The best thing in that article was that it didn't cost any extra money. So the new site is aimed at mobile devices, fair enough, that is also where most of the glitches are ! I must admit I found the old mobile site unusable and was forced to use the desktop version on my phone. Not showing all the information on the upright screen and having to rotate your screen may be common on some sites but that doesn't make it good. Car Jackings are common now but that doesn't make them good ! But you should not have to go back to the upright position just so you can watch a full screen replay ! I understand that an upgrade was needed to keep up with changing technology but I would have preferred if they could have stuck to the old look and layout of the old site.
In house could mean rather than hiring contractor they paid employees? Could be wrong but I seem to recall a couple jobs for programmers being advertised earlier in the year.
Haven't used it on my mobile yet but if easier to use that will be handy.
Fan of Jate
09-22-2017, 09:52 PM
I have a new computer with plenty of grunt but since the new website was introduced it is very slow to load up, I hope this does not continue. I am sure it is not a problem with my PC.
aussiebreno
09-23-2017, 09:35 AM
After about race 8 I was checking fields again for Wagga and it was a lottery as to whether the prior races were showing the fields or the results.
Messenger
09-23-2017, 12:45 PM
I personally would prefer it if there was a Fields page that continued to be just that even after the race has been run
gutwagon
09-23-2017, 02:24 PM
Brendan, the new mobile site is a big improvement on the old one. Just a few bugs that they are working on. I was using the desk top version on my phones for many years . It worked very well on phones but required some zooming in to read properly. Pity we couldn't have the new mobile site and the old desk top site together.
gutwagon
09-23-2017, 02:43 PM
Has everyone noticed how with the failed no whip rule and the new website that there was zero consultation with participants/users ? It would have been nice to be told what would be disappearing and what would be added to the new site ! Were we asked what were the best features of the old site and what parts needed improvement ? No ! I don't count being given a preview of the new site and being asked for feedback as consultation because all the decisions had already been made. Just seems to be the way now ! Seems they have learned little from the industry meetings with participants.
I know that the people developing the new site are trying their best and are actually contacting people who are having issues . I have no issues with them, they seem to be doing a good job. Even Microsoft launch products with many problems. It's whoever keeps making decisions with no consultation that is our industries biggest problem !
strong persuader
09-23-2017, 09:48 PM
Anyone else experience the loss of the main menu bar? If this is meant to be, how do we access things like Stewards Reports and Horse Search now?
p plater
09-24-2017, 01:25 PM
Can anyone tell me how to watch replays in the results section, using a computer, now only photo finish. It was so easy before.
allanjg
09-24-2017, 02:56 PM
anybody having trouble with the streaming speeds of the race replays.almost impossible to watch a vic replay,all other states just fine,no problems at all.
Messenger
09-24-2017, 09:04 PM
anybody having trouble with the streaming speeds of the race replays.almost impossible to watch a vic replay,all other states just fine,no problems at all.
I have been away Allan and just catching up on some Melton replays (what a run by Mr Mojito) and not had any problems
Wanted to watch Don Pierre break that old Cranbourne Tk Rec BUT no replays up still
Messenger
09-24-2017, 10:25 PM
Thankfully Form Guides are the old format because fields no longer tell you how the field was determined eg Restricted to horses with no more than ........
gutwagon
09-24-2017, 10:38 PM
The site seems to be having major problems right now (7.35pm Sunday) . Almost unusable for me on desktop. Takes 30 seconds to change page. can't open any result pages. Anyone else having the same trouble ?
Messenger
09-24-2017, 10:46 PM
The site seems to be having major problems right now (7.35pm Sunday) . Almost unusable for me on desktop. Takes 30 seconds to change page. can't open any result pages. Anyone else having the same trouble ?
Rick, you are definitely NOT on your
gutwagon
09-24-2017, 11:07 PM
I'm just glad that these web page designers don't make airplanes.
FINEST
09-25-2017, 12:05 AM
Service Unavailable won every race at Mildura tonight !
Showgrounds
09-25-2017, 12:54 AM
Service Unavailable won every race at Mildura tonight !
Yeah, goes all right that one!
I'm finding I don't go on the site as much, nor read the news headlines. Not sure what it is, it's not that I dislike the new site..
gutwagon
10-10-2017, 01:43 PM
Katie, I have to agree with you that I'm doing the same.
When I go to the site on the desktop I am greeted with a photo taking up half the screen under that there are adds and the top part of the photos of the top stories. I get zero news or info without scrolling down. The cover photo is way too big and the top story headlines and fields for the day need to be visible when you open the page,you should not have to scroll down to see these.
The adds used to be along the top and down the sides, now they take the prime position and are very intrusive. In this day and age of the "I want everything quickly" generation you need to attract peoples attention quickly. I mainly go there each morning to check where today's meetings are, now I have to scroll down to find them and they don't stand out as much as they used to.
I read that hits to the site went up when it changed but I bet that was just people checking out the new profile, I would be very surprised if the figures continue to be higher than the old site. I know personally I now very rarely check the fields and have been wagering less. Hardly what the new site was meant to achieve. But that's just my experience and others may be doing the opposite.
On the up side I get most of the news from this site now !
Messenger
10-16-2017, 06:47 PM
They are listening - good to see a summary of the program at the top of the fields now
gutwagon
10-17-2017, 01:12 PM
Kevin, they are listening I will give them credit for that. They actually emailed me for more details about issues I was having and they welcome suggestions on ways to improve the site. They always reply to emails too. The site is defiantly improving but I still miss the old one !
The stewards report now needs filtering and it defaults to NSW. Annoying if you're from any other state - I don't want to always have to select a state so there should be a 'remember state selection' button. And also I dislike when there's a calendar function and it only shows one month. Just extra clicks for no reason - especially at the start of the month. If it has to be a calendar and not just a list of all recent reports, it should show two or three months. That goes for results as well
'Remember selection' function should also be applied to Harnessweb. I don't want to view a horse's first starts, I want to view their most recent and it's annoying to always have to click 'show last 100 races' or hit next next next to get to the most recent starts EVERY SINGLE TIME on EVERY SINGLE HORSE (or maybe I should just stop creeping my Dad's horses and their competitors, and get a hobby)
Also. WHERE'S THE STATS. SHOW US THE STATS. Race records, track records, horse records, driver records, owner records. SHow us!
I'd like to see site visitation stats also for this new site. I'm finding I use harnessweb more now for looking at fields and results.
The headlines of the news articles on .org's front page aren't clickable which doesn't make sense - you have to click the image. It seems like there's multiple disconnected news sections. There used to be regular write ups on GP trots for a Friday. They appear in the front page news rotating feed, but I can't actually seem to easily locate them on the site & I don't know if I'm looking in the right place. It's the simple stuff like this that makes me frustrated.
I'm 34 years old, I'm pretty well versed in using websites but if I can't work it out, there's something wrong. Not sure how non-tech savvy people find the site.
One thing they NEED to change is the AHA site. If I search a horse via .org, I get taken to the AHA page which is fine, but sometimes I'll go through a few horses' family trees to find what horses are related. If I then think of a different horse to look at I have to click the back arrow again and again until I get back to the search page. Why is there no New Search button. It's just. so. un. userfriendly. gah
aussiebreno
11-05-2017, 08:42 AM
Remembering last state used would be handy.
I don't mind the calendar as is. A few gallops sites use the rotating calendar and I lose track of dates when it isnt just a calendar month.
There is a back to search button on the HRA online search. Is that the one you are talking about?
:o Oh there is too!! I cannot believe I've never seen it. Wowzers
Adaptor
11-05-2017, 09:17 PM
Agree with this one:
The stewards report now needs filtering and it defaults to NSW. Annoying if you're from any other state - I don't want to always have to select a state so there should be a 'remember state selection' button.
Messenger
11-21-2017, 02:17 AM
They are listening - good to see a summary of the program at the top of the fields now
WEIRD just noticed if I hold my tablet in landscape position it has the program summary BUT if I hold it in portrait position it doesn't
Pogga
11-21-2017, 01:56 PM
Pretty standard the landscape vs Portrait functionality on a tablet. I work in IT for a bank, similar issues for us. The landscape mode allows for more features across the tablet. Portrait just gives us headaches!!
Messenger
11-21-2017, 04:07 PM
Pretty standard the landscape vs Portrait functionality on a tablet. I work in IT for a bank, similar issues for us. The landscape mode allows for more features across the tablet. Portrait just gives us headaches!!
Interesting. I have got into the portrait habit from reading the newspaper online - that way you fit a whole page on the screen
Messenger
11-22-2017, 11:16 AM
Hey Stephen, how do they get around the fact that most people hold an iPhone in portrait position?
Pogga
11-22-2017, 12:15 PM
probably more of a communication issue Kev. Not much you can do with the space available across the top in a portrait position. Typically you prioritise what is most important to display in portrait. What you can't display, communicate out to users that 'extra' functionality available in landscape mode, then we find customers are ok with that, as long as they know! Not ideal but thems the wonders of portrait vs landscape.
The Form Student
11-23-2017, 03:33 PM
The trial horse search needs to be expanded to what it was before.....indefinite! Not 12 months like it has been changed to. At least 2 years trial search history.....eg. if a 2YO trials/qualifies and is put away for 12 months, there is no trace of the horse! Give 2 years history PLUS at least the latest trial if it was longer than this!
Loving HarnessWeb update - like with harness.org.au, video plays in screen but if you scroll up to view race details, the video will minimise into a smaller box allowing you to read but also keep an eye on the race.
If they'd add a 'remember selection' button for viewing a horse's results, we'd be golden
805806
Messenger
12-31-2017, 11:20 AM
When you click on Track Details there is a calendar. There is a Search function above the calendar BUT it does not work
You can get around it by using the < > arrows and the Today tab top right of calendar
I discovered this when I was trying to find out how many meets St Arnaud has a year.
I am pretty sure it has gone from 1 to only 2 so get there today people for some old fashioned small track racing (804m)
TrotterFan
01-08-2018, 02:52 PM
If they'd add a 'remember selection' button for viewing a horse's results, we'd be golden
Its not a 'remember selection' option but a quick way to switch the order of performances is to just tap/click the the column heading. So in your pic, 'Date' is the default/selected sort field (highlighted with a darker grey), if you click 'Date' again, it'll sort the date the way around and display latest first. This works on all the tables in Harnessweb.
828
Its not a 'remember selection' option but a quick way to switch the order of performances is to just tap/click the the column heading. So in your pic, 'Date' is the default/selected sort field (highlighted with a darker grey), if you click 'Date' again, it'll sort the date the way around and display latest first. This works on all the tables in Harnessweb.
828
Yup just wish it'd remember that selection. It goes back to default if you click back :)
Messenger
01-11-2018, 02:01 PM
One thing that is NOT an improvement is the calendar on the Track details page - it was much better when a clubs race dates for the season were listed
Messenger
01-20-2018, 01:24 PM
www.thetrots.com.au
Click on Racing, then Records and the pic you see for Horse Search is no longer appropriate
arlington
01-20-2018, 03:10 PM
www.thetrots.com.au (http://www.thetrots.com.au)
Click on Racing, then Records and the pic you see for Horse Search is no longer appropriate
Unfortunately not an uncommon occurrence, especially when we have kindred bodies with promo material as well. At times a costly exercise to replace depending on form of media and deals. State controlling bodies might need to monitor?
gutwagon
04-28-2018, 12:25 PM
Why are the stewards comments in the results not all being shown when you put the curser on them. The driver and trainer fines or why they were fined don't show up.
And a suggestion for the form guide is what are the horses current tactics ? Will it be driven forward or restrained. We find out when there is a change but it's very hard to find out what the current tactics are. Just because it went forward last start doesn't mean that it stuck to its tactics.
Messenger
11-04-2018, 09:34 PM
An annoying feature/non-feature of thetrots.com (Vic's default site now the old format has gone)
They are listing trial venues with the days racing venue and supposed links to their fields etc - the links don't work so I think we should stop listing the trial venues
Wouldn’t it be better to go forward instead of back Kev and get the trial fields available through HRV and the links working? They do publish the results and their are replays available through YouTube but don’t ask me how you find that on thetrots.com, I found them through google.
WA and NSW have trial form listed in the HRA horse performance, something David Martin told me he’d take up with the racing manger but I don’t think it’s happen yet.
And from the post above I’m with you Rick darn annoying that the stewards comments on the results page don’t display in their entirety when clicked on
Messenger
11-18-2018, 11:23 AM
They need to do something Dot - either make the links work or stop listing the trials
Under today's date thetrots.com have 5 venues listed but of course only the links for today's single meeting work
gutwagon
11-18-2018, 02:13 PM
Many stewards supplementary reports are still not appearing in the Stewards wrap . Makes it very hard to find the results.
thepacingman
11-18-2018, 03:31 PM
Plus the suspended drivers list has not been updated since 31 July.
gutwagon
11-20-2018, 11:43 AM
Is there a list of disqualified people on the site anywhere? It used to appear in the "Harness Racer" but I don't buy that anymore.
Messenger
11-20-2018, 12:13 PM
No Rick, I have banged on about that in a separate thread but NSW is still the only state to have a Disqualified Persons list online.
I don't see how anybody could ever be found guilty of associating with a disqualified person as "I didn't know" would have to be a strong defence
Is this what you are looking for? It is in alphabetical order rather then chronological order from date disqualified/warned off which makes it difficult to determine its currency. Doesn’t look like just NSW to me
https://www.harness.org.au/racing/disqualified-persons/
Messenger
11-21-2018, 12:04 AM
Thanks Dot, that is it! I wonder how long it has been there?
I am guilty of having harness.org Horse Search page as my starting point (as that is what I use the most) and if you select the Racing tab from that page you don't get the Disqualified list as an option
Showgrounds
11-21-2018, 12:31 AM
Makes for interesting reading. Saves stating a "Where are they now?" thread.
aussiebreno
11-21-2018, 09:01 AM
Thanks Dot, that is it! I wonder how long it has been there?
I am guilty of having harness.org Horse Search page as my starting point (as that is what I use the most) and if you select the Racing tab from that page you don't get the Disqualified list as an option
My guess is ita been there at least 12 months. Maybe even 2 or 3 yrs. I can remember looking at it quite a while ago
gutwagon
11-21-2018, 01:17 PM
Thanks Dot , can you tell us how to get to that list from the home page as it seems very well hidden ?
aussiebreno
11-21-2018, 05:51 PM
Under the 'Racing' dropdown that has links ti 'Fields' 'Form guides' etc is a link 'Disqualified Persons'. Its middle row under 'Stewards Reports'
Messenger
12-11-2018, 01:03 AM
I definitely miss how the old Vic home would list where the next 5 days of racing are at a glance
Messenger
12-30-2018, 04:21 PM
They need to do something Dot - either make the links work or stop listing the trials
Under today's date thetrots.com have 5 venues listed but of course only the links for today's single meeting work
6 weeks later nothing has changed - you would think they're racing at 4 different tracks today but only Cranbourne will give you any fields.
At the very least they should have for the others: "Trials begin at xx.*m" (or stop listing them if they are going to provide NOTHING)
HRV do not have to love us but they should be reading our forum because like us they do not know everything
Messenger
02-10-2019, 12:05 PM
Hey Cody - how about you fix this
It is bloody ridiculous - there is only ONE meeting for which you are supplying Fields, Form etc today
You are wasting the time of anyone that is clicking on any of the others
Messenger
02-20-2019, 01:19 AM
GSomebody needs to be attending to our main sites on a daily basis
http://www.harness.org.au on a Tuesday night at 11pm has 1 of its 3 featured stories (those with the pic promoting them) on predictions for last Friday's GP meet and
1 on Alford's plan to win the Chariots last Saturday (which by the way was nothing like what took place )
gutwagon
02-20-2019, 01:18 PM
GSomebody needs to be attending to our main sites on a daily basis
http://www.harness.org.au on a Tuesday night at 11pm has 1 of its 3 featured stories (those with the pic promoting them) on predictions for last Friday's GP meet and
1 on Alford's plan to win the Chariots last Saturday (which by the way was nothing like what took place )
Still there at 11am Wednesday ! They are so slow to update the stories, it's a joke !
Messenger
10-30-2019, 10:19 PM
I like the tweak to the HRV web home page
https://www.thetrots.com.au/
It is a better way to present the news and improves the chance of people seeing all the news stories
Messenger
11-18-2022, 07:23 PM
RISE are working on an upgrade to the harness.org.au website (hopefully to be up and running in 2023)
It will have new capabilities around wagering, advertisement and more importantly a better customer experience. During the build phase, they want to talk with users to ensure they hit the mark with the new website.
If you are a user of the site (HRA's homepage) and have any suggestions or feel strongly enough to want to be involved, let me know as I think I can link you up
Messenger
12-02-2022, 12:10 PM
RISE are working on an upgrade to the harness.org.au website (hopefully to be up and running in 2023)
It will have new capabilities around wagering, advertisement and more importantly a better customer experience. During the build phase, they want to talk with users to ensure they hit the mark with the new website.
If you are a user of the site (HRA's homepage) and have any suggestions or feel strongly enough to want to be involved, let me know as I think I can link you up
I was party to an early preview of plans yesterday (it is still very much in the development stage)
What is glaringly obvious is why are we so fragmented - why do we have all the state websites competing with harness.org.au
At present IMO HRV thetrots.com have a massive advantage/attraction that the others do not have - the TrotsVision box
If you are wanting to showcase what the sport offers, you want some races front and centre
Sure, the TrotsVision screen is only going to be showing racing a fraction of the time
But maybe we can improve it and have replays of recent big races on a loop until race time
It is such a vision box - showing races from all states, that is the dream/needed on the harness.org.au site
Messenger
05-05-2023, 07:31 PM
RISE are working on an upgrade to the harness.org.au website (hopefully to be up and running in 2023)
It will have new capabilities around wagering, advertisement and more importantly a better customer experience. During the build phase, they want to talk with users to ensure they hit the mark with the new website.
If you are a user of the site (HRA's homepage) and have any suggestions or feel strongly enough to want to be involved, let me know as I think I can link you up
Dan Boariu Departs RISE Racing
https://www.harness.org.au/media-room/news-article/?news_id=60938
I do not like the sound of this. Until recently, GM Dan was hosting microsoft teams meetings on how to improve the HRA website. Andrew Kelly further entrenched?
Messenger
05-30-2023, 12:44 PM
When you have a look at the Swedish homepage, you can see why Dan was wanting an update to HRA's (chalk and cheese)
https://www.swedishhorseracing.com/
Theoldfox
05-30-2023, 01:14 PM
When you have a look at the Swedish homepage, you can see why Dan was wanting an update to HRA's (chalk and cheese)
https://www.swedishhorseracing.com/
Hmm, you do realise that this is the equivalent of a TAB site that only deals with racing? In Sweden the ATG has exclusive rights to racing wagering within the country. No other betting agencies. But there is a huge upside to this, the ATG is actually owned by the racing codes, all profit goes back into racing! That is where the funds for marketing power come from. In Australia we have third party vested interests ripping the money away into private shareholders and stakeholders pockets leaving those who do the work running around for $2000 and $4500 races.
"ATG’s unique status
ATG, on the other hand, is not state-owned, but is owned by the country’s horse-racing authorities, with all profits being returned to the sport. At the same time, the Swedish government still selects half of the operator’s board, including its chair.
As a result, the business has a position somewhere in between the state-owned Svenska Spel and the private commercial sector, being neither a government entity or one run without state influence."
an extract from here
https://igamingbusiness.com/lottery/state-monopoly/swedish-monopolies-carving-place/
Messenger
05-30-2023, 03:59 PM
Hmm, you do realise that this is the equivalent of a TAB site that only deals with racing? In Sweden the ATG has exclusive rights to racing wagering within the country. No other betting agencies. But there is a huge upside to this, the ATG is actually owned by the racing codes, all profit goes back into racing! That is where the funds for marketing power come from. In Australia we have third party vested interests ripping the money away into private shareholders and stakeholders pockets leaving those who do the work running around for $2000 and $4500 races.
"ATG’s unique status
ATG, on the other hand, is not state-owned, but is owned by the country’s horse-racing authorities, with all profits being returned to the sport. At the same time, the Swedish government still selects half of the operator’s board, including its chair.
As a result, the business has a position somewhere in between the state-owned Svenska Spel and the private commercial sector, being neither a government entity or one run without state influence."
an extract from here
https://igamingbusiness.com/lottery/state-monopoly/swedish-monopolies-carving-place/
Of course I realize it
Google 'Swedish Trotting Association' people
and you find that they own 90% of ATG
AND ATG comes up as if it is their homepage
I made the point that it looks heaps better than HRA's homepage which would likely have had a much more modern look and betting slant if Dan and his upgrade had continued (I was part of a Microsoft teams weekly hook up)
So what is your point/opinion about the quality of the pages?
Messenger
05-30-2023, 04:24 PM
They have the ATG front and centre as you will see if you google 'Swedish Trotting Association'
You will have a hard time finding their HRA industry type homepage
I only found it by shortening the link to an equipment pdf
This is it
https://www.travsport.se/
It is closer to the Harnesslink News page in appearance
A far more modern look than HRA's homepage but not as good as the ATG offering
which is probably why they put the ATG front and centre
I guess they have the best of both worlds.
They have the ATG page which you would go to for fields, results, replays, betting - a page that prioritizes trotting unlike our own TAB equivalent
and they have the Swedish Trotting Sport page which is for news etc
Messenger
04-11-2024, 10:32 AM
I think Dan Boariu would be happy to see that HRA have produced a new homepage
https://harness.au/home?redirected=old
It may have been a banner click on option for months but I have only just noticed it :o
If the above link does not work then the banner is where you will find to click on the old link
https://www.harness.org.au/index.cfm
It is designed to be more punter friendly and looks cleaner
When it was being formulated (the early team meetings I was privy to) it was hoped to get Betting Odds/Sponsorship up there and eventually live racing (like TrotsVision)
I have reservations about the News tab if you click on it
Having the stories in 'boxes' instead of lists just makes the News less user friendly IMO
I would also do without the Latest News tab and move Lead News from last to first in its place
I think Dan Boariu would be happy to see that HRA have produced a new homepage
https://harness.au/home?redirected=old
It may have been a banner click on option for months but I have only just noticed it :o
If the above link does not work then the banner is where you will find to click on the old link
https://www.harness.org.au/index.cfm
It is designed to be more punter friendly and looks cleaner
When it was being formulated (the early team meetings I was privy to) it was hoped to get Betting Odds/Sponsorship up there and eventually live racing (like TrotsVision)
I have reservations about the News tab if you click on it
Having the stories in 'boxes' instead of lists just makes the News less user friendly IMO
I would also do without the Latest News tab and move Lead News from last to first in its place
I think they're open to feedback if you care to message them Kev. I agree re: news
Messenger
04-30-2024, 12:14 AM
Probably Katie, somehow I was part of a working party/feedback group when it was taking shape (before Dan's exodus), I must say I took Dan's exodus to mean it was being canned as he had said that the preliminary work/shape of things was ready to go to the executive. Anyway, having heard nothing from anyone after that, I will leave it to them - we are struggling as a forum but astute administration should be across all social media including us
Messenger
07-11-2024, 02:23 AM
Unless it is just a bug in the system, HRA (harness.org.au) seems to be the only place to find the fields
The problem with that however is that if you have gone to HRV (thetrots.com.au) to watch TrotsVision - you want the fields at your fingertips too
I can see that the new HRA is all geared up to the punter and is quite impressive but I am still using the old HRA as it is too fiddly to find old results (even yesterdays) on the new page
Messenger
07-11-2024, 05:22 PM
It was a bug. HRV / thetrots.com has fields back today
Maybe I can be converted to the new HRA site
Going to the Results tab has its rewards with a very attractive results display
We are missing lots of information that we can get on the old site
Messenger
02-14-2025, 09:27 PM
The fact that there has been NO STORY ABOUT SWAYZEE AND ALBURY on the HRA website
tells me that someone needs to be sacked
I am serious
We cannot afford incompetence anymore!
How often does harness racing have a horse racing for a bonus of $500,000
(If/when he wins tonight, no story on a potential Million dollar bonus would require just about everyone to be sacked)
trish
02-14-2025, 09:40 PM
Now you have pointed that out , let us wait & see.
The gallops would not miss a story like that
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