2019 NZ Jewels on Saturday 10.15am AEST

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https://infohorse.hrnz.co.nz/datahrs/fields/060132fd.htm

3 of the races have only 1 All Stars starter so there is some hope that they may win less than the 6 wins out of 9 that they recorded last year

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So much easier when you could just scroll through the fields for the meeting in one go. Must have a “click” counter on the new HRNZ site

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So much easier when you could just scroll through the fields for the meeting in one go. Must have a “click” counter on the new HRNZ site

No Dot it only takes one click - there is a + Expand All Races, top right above the R1 box

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Oh thanks Kev that’s an improvement but I’d prefer to be able to see the whole field for a race at the same time as you could before. The new layout is “pretty” but not very practical for those trying to scan a field to make an quick assessment. I’m also very disappointed that they have reduced their pedigree information significantly. Another “pretty” not practical change.

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What have they changed for the pedigrees Dot? (I cannot remember the old now)

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We have a hell of a range in some of the Jewels on Saturday (starting 10.15am our time)
Of course this is greatest in the 2yo's

In the 2yo C&G we have Skippys Delight with 1 start (3rd) and $720 prizemoney
up to One Change with 4/4 wins and $212,707
(5 of the 12 starters are looking for their maiden win)

In the 2yo F we have Dr Susan with $5460
up to Sweet On Me with $171,960

I have paid my $5 for Sky2 (assuming that is where most of the races will be) and am looking forward to the day (and some upsets?)

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Favourites on the Vic TAB's Fixed Price market

R1 $1.12
R2 $2.40
R3 $1.65
R4 $1.50
R5 $1.75
R6 $1.60
R7 $1.15
R8 $2.25
R9 $1.45

Except for R8 they are ALL All Stars horses

I cannot help but think that they are bad for racing in NZ and regardless of how good their horse flesh is, it begs the question - how can they be that much better?

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What have they changed for the pedigrees Dot? (I cannot remember the old now)

Clicking on pedigree gets you just 2 generations now, used to be more, 4 or 5 generations

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Is that on a phone Dot?
Still get full ped on my desktop

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Don't know how many fingers you have, Dot, but if you clicked on Elle Mac in race 1 you get the first 4 generations. Click on the last dam and you get the next 4, then the next 4, etc. Looks pretty good to me.

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Can't beat good old parochialism, eh Kev?

Good owners, good horses, great trainers and acceptance of nothing but perfection might give the stable an edge.

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Don't know how many fingers you have, Dot, but if you clicked on Elle Mac in race 1 you get the first 4 generations. Click on the last dam and you get the next 4, then the next 4, etc. Looks pretty good to me.

Presumably the same number of fingers as you Trevor. Yes Kev from a phone, same as a lot of people these days. Can’t see an option on the site to switch to desktop view.

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Can't beat good old parochialism, eh Kev?

Good owners, good horses, great trainers and acceptance of nothing but perfection might give the stable an edge.

There are only four ways I can think of to explain their dominance Trev

a) they are better trainers than anyone else in the world
b) success breeds success in that they are just about the only ones given the best bred horses in NZ
c) only immaculately bred horses become superstars
d) they have found something that is undetectable which gives their horses an advantage

Call me parochial if you like Trev. I could elaborate on all of the above but won't other than to say that c) is not true

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http://www.harnesslink.com/News/Punters-look-for-juicy-jewels-returns

Well if we follow Mark Purdon's tips, our best value bets might be to bet against him in

R2 Ultimate Stride $3.60

R8 Sundees Son $2.25

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Aussies have not fared too well in the draws (8 across the front) :mad:

R1 No9 Major Occasion

R5 No5 All Cashed Up (strangely the only one given the AUS tag)

R7 No8 Falcon Stride

R8 No11 Majestic Player

R9 No9 Petes Big Jim

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Sadly the weather is predicted to be shocking (= Victoria's Wednesday)
Only 8 degrees max, rain & wind

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http://www.harnesslink.com/News/Punters-look-for-juicy-jewels-returns

Well if we follow Mark Purdon's tips, our best value bets might be to bet against him in

R2 Ultimate Stride $3.60

R8 Sundees Son $2.25

You will have to be brave to bet in R2
I have been watching the videos of the 2yo trot lead up races
Plenty of multiple false starts
They are baby trotters after all

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Addington is going to have to be a VG track for this meeting to go on
Christchurch have had 2 inches (51mm and still raining) since midnight

https://www.metservice.com/towns-cities/christchurch/christchurch-city

Although HRNZ is stating

"Despite current weather conditions the IRT Harness Jewels racing to commence as scheduled at 12.15pm"

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When you click on any horse you will get a comprehensive form summary
One very interesting one in what I will call their track conditions chart is
Right v Left
Being at Addington we are racing Left today

https://infohorse.hrnz.co.nz/datahrs/fields/060132fd.htm

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Allstars win the first, no surprise there. Track is remarkably good, plenty of water in places on the inside

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And in the 2nd the 2yo trotters misbehaved as expected and we get 33/1 pop Bolt For Brilliance take his earnings from $4k to $68k
before the All Stars win R3 as expected

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Another easy win to the All Stars in R4

In the next Jason Bonnington writes that Enhance Your Calm is 'often-poorly-mannered'

https://www.thetrots.com.au/news/articles/good-form-bons-jewels-game-plan/

He has won 9 with 1 second from 10 starts

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Jason Bonnington knew something! (Although it was his selection and his value bet did nothing)
Tony Herlihy has now won 2 and is only 1 behind the All Stars

So far the Aussies have wasted their time travelling

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Good drive by Zac Butcher (taking cover from the back straight wind) saw Belle Of Montana get up by a nose to give Bettors Delight his 3rd winner so far.
It was somewhat predicted in the following article

http://www.harnesslink.com/New-Zealand/Butcher-not-giving-much-away

Princess Tiffany had the much tougher run

Who would you rather own 'the toughy' or 'the speedster' ?

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The winner!

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Well the All Stars ended up with 5/9 Gp1's
Bettors Delight Delight ended up siring 4/6 pacing Gp 1's, in the other two he got a 2nd in one and was the broodmare sire of the winner in the other. He also got a trifecta
Muscle Hill won 2/3 trotting Gp1's both trained and driven by Tony Herlihy
The Aussies - well I hope they enjoyed the hospitality

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I know some Aussies who will be bringing home TWO nice Jewels trophies!

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The Feiss's

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The Feiss's

And both horses are sold.

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Presumably the same number of fingers as you Trevor. Yes Kev from a phone, same as a lot of people these days. Can’t see an option on the site to switch to desktop view.


Hi Dot . Interesting you should say that. The no 1 improvement and reason for the "upgrade " was to meet your issue head on. The site is designed to offer full page view adjusted to meet the medium you are using to view the site. i.e. …
It should automatically recognise if you are using a phone, tablet, desktop or any other option and adjust to that medium automatically @ full page view.
Suggest you clear out any previous cached versions.. prior May 1 and try reloading.

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Hi Teecee my credentials as a techno nuffy are well established and I freely confess I have no idea how to clear out any previous cached versions of how to reload on my phone! Is closing all the windows in the browser enough or is there more to it then that?

I think I do get the optimised mobile version on my phone but what I would like as I don’t have access to a desktop or other device is to be able to access the less optimum version via my phone to view extended pedigrees. Other sites not necessarily related to harness racing often offer that by clicking on desktop view on a mobile device but I don’t see that option here.

For what it’s worth, and possibly part of the same problem whilst it may not be “computer geek” optimum for a mobile being able to see an entire field on the one page for a racing person it certainly is. Also, as feedback for HRNZ, a couple of regular punters here ( though perhaps not in NZ) have been very critical of the new site on twitter for not being able to view an entire field at once, or scroll through the entire fields in one go on a page. I don’t imagine they are only using a mobile phone for access.

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No tech guru Dot but this might help. Open your settings and scroll down to find your browser, pretty sure it will be safari. Open it and find clear history, cookies data.
But I take no responsibility for anything else that happens.

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Also, as feedback for HRNZ, a couple of regular punters here ( though perhaps not in NZ) have been very critical of the new site on twitter for not being able to view an entire field at once, or scroll through the entire fields in one go on a page. I don’t imagine they are only using a mobile phone for access.

They must not have spotted the Expand All Races button because both those features are there

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Trent Orwin
@themightytrent3
Trying to do form for Harness Jewels Day makes me appreciate that the Australian harness website has panels on the NZ one.


Paul Dobson
@dobbopd
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@themightytrent3
It’s deadset shocking the new NZ Site ��


Matt Leppard
@mleppard11
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May 9
The new HRNZ site has removed any remote interest I had left in NZ harness racing. What a shocking website. ����

I guess not Kev. If I select the expand all races button I can scroll through the fields but I cannot see all runners in a race on the page at the same time.

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No tech guru Dot but this might help. Open your settings and scroll down to find your browser, pretty sure it will be safari. Open it and find clear history, cookies data.
But I take no responsibility for anything else that happens.

I’m game Wayne I’ll give it a shot! Might be the end of me on the forum!!

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Also, as feedback for HRNZ, a couple of regular punters here ( though perhaps not in NZ) have been very critical of the new site on twitter for not being able to view an entire field at once, or scroll through the entire fields in one go on a page. I don’t imagine they are only using a mobile phone for access.

I guess not Dot. Because you can

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Not sure what you mean Kev. I can use the expand the fields button but I cannot get more then five horses on the page at a time, and they look more like an online shopping site then a race field. So much better when I could see the whole field on the page with all the pertinent info available at a glance.

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I meant you are wrong to say they are using anymore than a phone because the NZ site is sweet for tablet, and desktop users