Hi Mango
The Seelster comment was to the fact of abundance of Seelster mare down under, no one will care what the stallion looks like as long as his progeny can run and you would think Art Official's record would speak for its self
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Hi Mango
The Seelster comment was to the fact of abundance of Seelster mare down under, no one will care what the stallion looks like as long as his progeny can run and you would think Art Official's record would speak for its self
Hi Nat
You are right there are a lot of Falcon mare's around but there are heaps of others that would suit him i'm sure. As for looks you are correct it shouldn't matter as long as his progeny can run but i think i'm also right in saying SBSW looks a stronger type and yes there is a big price difference. I would like to see a pic of Art Official now that he has let down just to see how he filled out. I think JC hit the nail on the head (over priced) and to make a stallion you need the numbers on the ground, with only serving 66 in n.z and 17 in Aus that won't help him. It will also be interesting to see where all these stallions from the stallion station end up.
Good morning Mango
SBSW hands down has that CC look and style about him, but if looks were the measure Shadow Play would have bred 500 mares this season, cannot remember off the top of me head but Art Official was around the $6-7,000 where he should have been around the $4,000. It will be interesting where the Stallion Station horse's will end up especially CUF.
Hi Nat
Yes it will be interesting where CUF ends up and then there's Mach 3, Mister Big, Major In Art and a heap of others. There's a rumour doing the rounds that Alabar want Mach 3 and CUF but how much truth to that is anyone's guess. Yes Shadow Play has the looks, an American trainer who was out here not so long ago told a mate of mine to stay away from the Panderosa line don't know what thats about as i wasn't privy to the conversation.
In some ways we cannot take into account what happens in the US with what cross go's with what as it seems to be thrown out the window when these stallions start crossing with our bloodlines look at ITP, Fake Left, Armbro Op., Safely Kept couldn't get a gig in the US and he revolutionized our breed the only Big time stallion that has delivered is Art Major
G'day Mango,
That's fair comment but I think it's worth noting that Shadow Play has one absolutely vital attribute that very few if any of the other sons of The Panderosa have displayed and that very few people, if any, have acknowledged thus far...and that is point to point high speed.
P-Forty Seven certainly didn't have it & neither did Metropolitan nor Town Champion and in general I think the stock of The Panderosa have been grinders more than speed horses so that that has quite rightly counted against him in the US.
For mine, Shadow Play is atypical of his sire's offspring. He is more like those of his late grandsire, Western Hanover. Of course, it's possible that Shadow Play could come out and sire more to the grinders end of the spectrum, like his dad did...but I very much doubt it.
This is the point where JC chimes in and extolls the virtues of Eric & Seldon's Shockwave & Aranesp Emporium graduate, Town Champion. Cue JC and....go! :p
Hey Triple
That comment i wrote wasn't mine as i don't mind the horse i was just passing on what i had heard from a mate and wasn't privy to the original conversation. He might turn out to be a champion which only time will tell.
Hi Nat
Id agree with you there as i'm a huge ITP fan, with my comments i wasn't saying what Shadow Play goes with all i was told was to steer clear of The Panderosa line and as i said i don't know why. Maybe Triple explained why they might look at The Panderosa and his progeny that way cause they are grinders.
G'day Mango,
Yeh, I understand that. I've heard some pretty crazy things over the years and that is not the worst let me assure you. Years ago, after a NSW Breeders Committee Meeting I stood in the Bankstown Sports Club Bar one night as, before the horse's 1st crop had even been foaled, a very well known NSW Breeder urged me to put all the mares that I could get my hands on...to Stoneridge Scooter...GOD FORBID! I periodically remind him of it to this day but now, with tongue firmly in his cheek, he denies that he said it.
I just think the steer clear of the whole sireline completely thing is more than just a bit of a sweeping comment by whoever made it originally, that's all. It doesn't take into account repeated historical and more recent breed examples to the contrary.
Here in Oz especially there has always been a little too much getting hung up on the sires of new sires rather than really looking at the individuals in question, something I've never really understood.
I was never an In The Pocket fan... but Christian Cullen, he was something else entirely.
In much the same vein, IMO Shadow Play's nothing at all like the rest of The Panderosas, Somebeachsomewhere's nothing like the rest of the Mach Threes, Artistic Fella's nothing like the rest of the Pacific Fellas...and yet you'll hear some people pot each of them based solely on their sire?????? I just don't understand.
As great looking individuals coupled with their respective deeds on the racetrack...it really wouldn't matter a zac to me if they didn't have a sire or a dam.
The same line of thinking extends to new & existing sires that happen to have somewhat offbeat or lesser known horses as their dam sires.
The bloodlines of so many of the best sires in the breed debunks that theory also with the likes of Overtrick, Nihilator, Armbro Emerson, Blaze Pick, Striking Image, Dancer Hanover, Shadow Wave, Adioo Guy, Duane Hanover, Towner's Big Guy etc. all making guest appearances as the damsires of some of the greatest sires to ever jump a mare.
Also, many of the newest sires available to us today are so by way of a relatively weak link in their not too distant past. Silent Majority (down to Sportswriter), Oil Burner (down to Rock N Roll Heaven) & Direct Scooter (down to Somebeachsomewhere)... for example.
Here ends today's Sermon. :rolleyes:
Rock N Roll Hanover
I cant say I have heard anymore regarding him coming to Australia in the flesh and his service fee. Any update /