[VVV] G'day Denny,Originally Posted by A BIT DUSTY
I would have liked to see them take a cut & dried show up or shut up line with the MM.
For any aspiring MM contenders, I believe that participation in the lead up races should be mandatory.
If the excellent $$$ on offer in those lead up races combined with, should they get that far, the fat end of 750k to the winner for the big one is not enough of an enticement for the best of the best to show up a week or two beforehand then you really have to wonder what is.
Rgds
Jaimie
Couldn't agree any more Jaimie
I have always had sympathy for the panel ( except the year they left Our Sir Vancelot out , what the f----k were they thinking) whose job it is to select the field , as it is so hard to line up horses form when they are racing in different states and Country's.
At least if they all come for the lead up races and you know prior what you have to do to get a start it takes all the controversy out of play
Cheers Denny
[QUOTE=A BIT DUSTY;14960][QUOTE=aussiebreno;14958]The horse earnt a place anyway. I think that's evidence enough he should have been invited.
Geurin was basically saying it wasn't a issue the NSWHRC didn't like Kiwis, it was an issue there was only 2 discretionary spots and Smoken Up and ITMQ deserved them and the lead races were in place well before the NZ Cup was run and won. Of course those two were in the pecking order above TTL; but if you owned TTL you would still be thinking wtf. The stand start was an after thought near the end of his article.
What sort of lame comment is " But if you value Geurins opinion that much..... This bloke is the highest profile harness media personality in NZ and you want to dismiss him.
Funny I don't seem to remember seeing Brendan Bryce being interviewed on Sky or reading any news paper articles penned by this self appointed harness GURU. Funny you say that, I have had articles published on Harnesslink thanks for your concern.
Yes Geurin has great qualifications; but that article actually had more things that side with me than what side with you.
[B] The stand start was an after thought near the end of his article So where a piece of vital information (that would influence a M M invite) is located in a article makes a difference You Crack me up Brendan
Most journos make their point towards the start of an article. If you had to choose to read one half of an article for the rest of your life would it be the first half or the second half?
Really don't get why you posted that article anyway. If you value Geurins opinion that much he says TTL was virtually assured of a spot he just had to catch a plane to Sydney whilst he also says Raglan (the Newcastle Mile winner) did not deserve to start in a Miracle Mile.
The point I posted that article was to show you that people that are aware of FACTS generally know more about the ins and outs of Miracle Mile selection than an Accountant from Wagga Wagga
Not that there are any qualifications; but how is a NEW ZEALAND journalist qualified to talk about a race in SYDNEY. I'd be disapointed if Greg Hayes spent more time worrying about the NZ Cup than races in NSW.
Do you think it would not be unreasonable to want to have a look at a horse that had not raced from the Mobile in it's previous 5 strs
No, not unreasonable. Still worthy of an invite despite this though. The Cordina where it ended up getting an invite is proof of this. But in most years past TTL would have been straight in the field and I reckon in most years coming TTL would have been invited straight away.
Geurin also says the race experience at Menangle would do the horse good. It obviously didn't because his run in the Cordina was well above his run in the Miracle Mile.
Has it dawned on you that it is probably because of the concerns the panel had about T.T.L that resulted in the poor MM run?????????
The horse only racing in Stand Start races is a pretty good indication that he has a problem , they have said come over have a run in a lead up race if all's well we'll give him a start.
I believe having that run out of the gate the week before has busted him ( because of his problem) and that would explain the poor MM run.[/QUOTE]
NSWHRC had none such concerns about TTL. They didnt see TTL has a negative. They saw ITMQ and Smoken Up as greater positives. NSWHRC actually came out and said they stuffed up. I think I linked that article earlier in the article.
Now I move to the last line, what I have bolded. So you agree with me on the travel clause; where travelling and starting in a lead up may hinder performance an invite will be issued earlier? Which is why I bumped this thread. Thankyou for wasting my time.
Last edited by aussiebreno; 01-04-2012 at 05:15 PM.
Denny if you want me to agree TTL's run was terrible.Then yes, it was a shocker (and too bad to be true). If you want me to admit I was wrong in thinking he deserved an invite to the MM, don't hold your breath. I'll put this article back up for your benefit. Oh and by the way ITMQ doesn't deserve a run in the MM this year after his Vic Cup run either then! I'm not even sure why we are trawling over this again for anyway. It is an invitation, so every year there is going to be opinions and debate. And unless you work at NSWHR, your opinion and my opinion are worth exactly the same. Even VVV's! For the record ( and it may sound like I'm contradicting myself), but I like the NSWHR having discretionary powers in who they want in the field. It has unearthed some great horses in the past Chokin, Jack Morris to name just a couple. But I still feel TTL should have got an automatic invite on his NZ Cup win.
Last edited by Lucky Camilla"s Lovechild; 01-04-2012 at 05:14 PM.
Sacrilege!!
I also agree its probably better black and white without the grey.
The sole reason I'd like ALL of the MM contenders to have had to race in one of the lead up events is that the fans will get to see them more than just a once off, a fly in, fly out basis. These are supposed to be very best horses around & yet we only get see them face off maybe once in a blue moon.
Totally agree. But sometimes that can't be achieved. Some horses just can't back up in a short time frame. And if youv'e got a 250k race in your backyard or a 50k lead up FFA in another country, what are you going to run in? Don't you think TTL running at 100% in the MM is better than what he was when he ran in it?
G'day Leigh,
For mine, TTL didn't deserve a start based solely on his NZ Cup win however, once he was in, I expected a whole lot more of him than he ultimately delivered. Unless macular degeneration or glaucoma are slowly but surely claiming my eyesight, I believe he is a lot better horse than his MM effort suggested.
On the subject of disappointing efforts...and it's getting off the track a bit but nobody has hit on this bloke thus far...
Race 6, MM night, and Franco Emirate had a wrap on him the size of a block of flats but failed to deliver. Then he went around in the Cranbourne Cup and duly platzed and he did it again in the Victoria Cup. Big, strong looking bugger, seems to get over the ground so well too. What's the deal there I wonder? Not well whilst in Oz? Not as good as he was made out to be? Kiwis...Don C? Any thoughts?
[QUOTE=aussiebreno;14966][QUOTE=A BIT DUSTY;14960]Can anyone out there HELP POOR OLD BRENDAN . I think he is struggling to comprehend simple language.
You are missing the whole crux of my point and that is
On he's currant form he had no mobile form and anyone that has half an idea about horses (and you obviously don't) would have great concern as to why that was so.
So as a precaution the panel has played it safe and said come over and have a run if he goes OK we'll issue with a start.
Now your ridiculous statement about me agreeing with on the travel clause only reinforces my already dwindling opinion of your harness knowledge.( just on that subject Brendan would you please, just for my amusement publish your expertise in training pacers) It actually proved that T T L is a horse that did not have what it takes to compete at that level, at this stage of his career
If my memory is correct he couldn't win the Cordina sprint that was not half as good a field that we had in the M.M Surely that justified the panel's decision.
How about this clanger Brendan
Not that there are any qualifications; but how is a NEW ZEALAND journalist qualified to talk about a race in SYDNEY. I'd be disapointed if Greg Hayes spent more time worrying about the NZ Cup than races in NSW.
Is this the ramblings of a desperate man or what, since when do where you live have any bearing on your knowledge of an Industry , Brendan are you saying wayne bennett wouldn't have a clue about rugby league anywhere else in the world, or Bart Cummings wouldn't know about N.Z racing , if you think Greg Hayes would be more interested in run of the mill races here in Aus while the N.Z cup was on then your are even more ignorant than I had previously thought .( and that is saying something).
This the absolute Icing on the Cake
but that article actually had more things that side with me than what side with you
All your ramblings have been how hard done by Terror To Love was to not get an automatic invite .
All the article is about is why he wasn't hard done by and the reasons for it.
But in your fantasy world you come up with that conclusion THAT'L DO ME
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